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		<id>https://wiki.lojban.io/index.php?title=polyglot&amp;diff=89</id>
		<title>polyglot</title>
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		<updated>2023-02-23T21:53:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seldirba: mi mu&amp;#039;umgu&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Lojban is full of all kinds of different dialects nowadays - all the new kids with their {{j|po}}s and {{j|tau}}s and {{j|ki}}s and {{j|voi}}s... The worst thing is you have no way of systematically figuring out what dialect a sentence is in, unless it happens to parse in only exactly one of them!&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there&#039;s always a compromise. Just write sentences that parse in all dialects! ...Wait, you didn&#039;t say they&#039;re not allowed to contain the forbidden words..? Just that they need to parse in both cases..?&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Polyglots&#039;&#039;&#039; (or {{j|sorbauterge&#039;a}} in lojban) are a Lojbanic form of word play (poetry?) that consists of writing sentences that parse in more than one cmavo-swapping dialect, &#039;&#039;despite&#039;&#039; containing some cmavo that have been swapped - of course, not just in some trivial way like quoted with {{j|zo}}. Bonus points if both meanings are semi-plausible lojban sentences. Even more bonus points if the meanings are quite close (it&#039;s probably impossible to end up with the &#039;&#039;exact&#039;&#039; same meaning).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Simple polyglots ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some easy examples for the most common cekitau swaps.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== ki ===&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i le banli noi pu ki barda spoja ba se xenru}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;The great thing, which blew up in a huge explosion, it was going to be regretted.&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;The grand event, before which there was a huge explosion, will be regretted.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== ce ===&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i mi co&#039;arkai lo ka klama le tcadu ce le ricfoi}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;I&#039;m starting to go to the city-and-forest area.&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Someone&#039;s starting to go away from me, towards the city, through the forest.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== tau ===&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i le skepre cu xusra lo du&#039;u ma&#039;a na djuno tau sy}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;The scientist said that we don&#039;t know S (as in, capital S, which is distinct from small s - perhaps S is the name of a conjecture)&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;The scientist said that we don&#039;t know about them (the scientist).&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== voi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i la melbi voi banli cu noltru le vi gugde}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Melbi the Great is the monarch of this country.&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Someone Great In A Beautiful Way is the monarch of this country.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Double polyglots ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A &#039;&#039;&#039;multiple polyglot&#039;&#039;&#039; is one that contains more than one distinct cmavo being swapped: here some examples of double polyglots.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== jboponei ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Sentences for jboponei can be constructed in a similar style to the simple polyglots above, but jboponei presents a unique challenge: making a sentence involving both {{j|po}} and {{j|nei}}:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i zo&#039;e po mi gleki nei xusra}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;The thing of mine asserts this sentence happily.&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Someone asserts that I&#039;m happy.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== tei and foi ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Finally a polyglot for two obscure cmavo for creating compound letterals, swapped into {{j|nai}} (paralleling {{j|to&#039;e}}, already proposed before) and {{j|fi&#039;o}} respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  {{j|.i catlu .au tei .a&#039;y .e&#039;y foi pa moi fa .o&#039;y}} &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Unswapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;I want O to be the ash-first to watch (maybe &amp;quot;ash-one&amp;quot; is a number)&#039;&#039; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &#039;&#039;&#039;Swapped&#039;&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;Firstly, I don&#039;t want O to look at AE.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Name origin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In programming, a &#039;&#039;polyglot&#039;&#039; is a program valid in multiple programming languages, resulting in the same or different outputs when run in each of them. An analogical idea can be applied to sentences in &#039;&#039;human&#039;&#039; languages, though it&#039;s probably difficult to come up with interesting examples since natural languages are much more different from each other than programming languages are.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Seldirba</name></author>
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		<id>https://wiki.lojban.io/index.php?title=slinku%27iia&amp;diff=71</id>
		<title>slinku&#039;iia</title>
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		<updated>2021-07-09T16:35:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seldirba: pa moi nu finti le&amp;#039;i papri&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{j|slinku&#039;iia}}&#039;&#039;&#039; is a lojban dialect which makes &#039;&#039;slinku&#039;i&#039;&#039; words pronounceable simply by prepending &#039;&#039;denpa bu&#039;&#039; to them. This change is fully backwards compatible, as it doesn&#039;t change the meaning of anything that used to be grammatical; it only gives certain previously ungrammatical constructs meaning.&lt;br /&gt;
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Such words are mostly &#039;&#039;fu&#039;ivla&#039;&#039; created as nonce borrowings. For example, under {{j|slinku&#039;iia}}, the English word &amp;quot;charge&amp;quot; could be made into the nonce word {{j|.tcarge}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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== sli&#039;ykru ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Another feature of {{j|slinku&#039;iia}} is that it allows for the creation of &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; that begin with {{j|CCV&#039;y}} (so-called &#039;&#039;sli&#039;ykru&#039;&#039; words). Such words are considered &#039;&#039;slinku&#039;i&#039;&#039; in standard grammar because if they weren&#039;t, then e.g. a &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; from {{j|uidje}} + {{j|valsi}}, which would be formed as {{j|uidje&#039;yvla}}, would fall apart &#039;&#039;tosmabru&#039;&#039;-style into the phrase {{j|ui dje&#039;yvla}}. Under {{j|slinku&#039;iia}}, the word {{j|uidje&#039;yvla}} is a valid &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; that means {{j|uidje zei valsi}}, while {{j|ui.dje&#039;yvla}} is two words, a &#039;&#039;cmavo&#039;&#039; followed by a different valid &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; that means {{j|djedi zei valsi}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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== rafsi ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Finally, under {{j|slinku&#039;iia}}, any previously ungrammatical &#039;&#039;fu&#039;ivla&#039;&#039; that have become grammatical can also now be used as &#039;&#039;rafsi&#039;&#039;. The only precaution that must be taken is that if the first &#039;&#039;rafsi&#039;&#039; in a &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; is a &#039;&#039;slinku&#039;i&#039;&#039; form, then the entire &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; must begin with a &#039;&#039;denpa bu&#039;&#039;. For example, {{j|mulytcarge}} could be a &#039;&#039;lujvo&#039;&#039; meaning &amp;quot;completely charge&amp;quot;, while {{j|.tcarge&#039;yca&#039;a}} could mean &amp;quot;charging device&amp;quot;.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Seldirba</name></author>
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