cmevla–brivla merger - Revision history

Hzrn: i'm unsure as to whether this was the intended page for this link, but if it isn't, better this than nothing.

2023-11-08T17:34:47Z

i'm unsure as to whether this was the intended page for this link, but if it isn't, better this than nothing.

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	The '''Cmevla–Brivla Merger''' {{editorial\|Lojban name?}} (often abbreviated as '''CBM''') is a [[Modern Lojban\|common addition to the grammar]] that treats cmevla (name words, words ending in a consonant) as a type of brivla (predicate words).		The '''Cmevla–Brivla Merger''' {{editorial\|Lojban name?}} (often abbreviated as '''CBM''') is a [[Modern Lojban concepts\|common addition to the grammar]] that treats cmevla (name words, words ending in a consonant) as a type of brivla (predicate words).

	== History ==		== History ==

Uakci: elaborate on the grammar

2020-11-19T21:45:26Z

elaborate on the grammar

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	Notice how in zantufa (which admits CBM), cmevla (represented by the production rule <code>CMEVLA_clause</code>) are capable of serving as <abbr title="Units in a tanru. «condi» and «me lo bloti» are one tanru unit each; «condi me lo bloti» is two.">tanru units</abbr> to the same extent that brivla (<code>BRIVLA_clause</code>) are.		Notice how in zantufa (which admits CBM), cmevla (represented by the production rule <code>CMEVLA_clause</code>) are capable of serving as <abbr title="Units in a tanru. «condi» and «me lo bloti» are one tanru unit each; «condi me lo bloti» is two.">tanru units</abbr> to the same extent that brivla (<code>BRIVLA_clause</code>) are.

			Now let’s examine selma’o {{j\|LE}} and {{j\|LA}}. (In both cases, <code>sumti_tail</code> depends on <code>selbri</code>, which itself is one or more <code>tanru_unit</code>s, defined above.)

			'''camxes'''
			sumti_6 <- [...] / LA_clause free* relative_clauses? CMEVLA_clause+ free* / (LA_clause / LE_clause) free* sumti_tail KU_elidible free* / [...]

			'''zantufa'''
			sumti_5 <- [...] / LE_clause sumti_tail KU_elidible / [...]

			camxes defines cmavo of {{j\|LA}} as cmavo that can be followed both by a cmevla and a brivla, and {{j\|LE}} as those that can only be followed by the latter. Since zantufa is a CBM grammar, it doesn’t make the distinction; thus, it doesn’t need to define the selma’o {{j\|LA}} (as well as the rule <code>LA_clause</code>) at all.

Uakci: Uakci moved page Cmevla–brivla merger to cmevla–brivla merger without leaving a redirect

2020-11-19T02:23:51Z

Uakci moved page Cmevla–brivla merger to cmevla–brivla merger without leaving a redirect

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Uakci: jeez I should watch my ’

2020-11-18T23:59:59Z

jeez I should watch my ’

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	* {{j\|.tag.}}: {{x\|1}} <code>@</code>-s {{x\|2}} in message {{x\|3}}.		* {{j\|.tag.}}: {{x\|1}} <code>@</code>-s {{x\|2}} in message {{x\|3}}.

	(These definitions are informal; therefore, one may expect others to be confused with their usage of the oblique places unless it’s rather obvious – e.g., ''I chessed her and she lost'' {{j\|mi ~~ko’a~~ .tces .i je ~~ko’a~~ te jinga}}.)		(These definitions are informal; therefore, one may expect others to be confused with their usage of the oblique places unless it’s rather obvious – e.g., ''I chessed her and she lost'' {{j\|mi ko'a .tces .i je ko'a te jinga}}.)

	Therefore, CBM cmevla, alongside the underratedly versatile {{dic\|me'oi}}, can find great use when code-switching ({{j\|lo nunctu zo'u '''.borin''' .oi sai}}) or learning ({{j\|mi klama '''lo .skul.'''}}).		Therefore, CBM cmevla, alongside the underratedly versatile {{dic\|me'oi}}, can find great use when code-switching ({{j\|lo nunctu zo'u '''.borin''' .oi sai}}) or learning ({{j\|mi klama '''lo .skul.'''}}).
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	{{j\|.i mi ~~ba’o~~ penmi ci lo .alis.}} <br />		{{j\|.i mi ba'o penmi ci lo .alis.}} <br />
	''I’ve met three Alices so far.''		''I’ve met three Alices so far.''
	</blockquote>		</blockquote>

Uakci at 23:59, 18 November 2020

2020-11-18T23:59:22Z

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	The '''Cmevla–Brivla Merger''' {{editorial\|Lojban name?}} (often abbreviated as '''CBM''') is a [[Modern Lojban\|common ~~modification of~~ the grammar]] that treats cmevla (name words, words ending in a consonant) as a type of brivla (predicate words).		The '''Cmevla–Brivla Merger''' {{editorial\|Lojban name?}} (often abbreviated as '''CBM''') is a [[Modern Lojban\|common addition to the grammar]] that treats cmevla (name words, words ending in a consonant) as a type of brivla (predicate words).

	== History ==		== History ==

Uakci: :)

2020-11-18T23:56:08Z

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The '''Cmevla–Brivla Merger''' {{editorial|Lojban name?}} (often abbreviated as '''CBM''') is a [[Modern Lojban|common modification of the grammar]] that treats cmevla (name words, words ending in a consonant) as a type of brivla (predicate words).

== History ==

{{editorial}}

== Usage ==

Under CBM, each and every cmevla is treated as a predicate. But what kind of predicate? The most valid (though generic) answer to this question is: ''whatever predicate is named by the cmevla in question.'' For example, names of people, places, countries, etc., may simply be ‘predicatized’ like so:

* {{j|.alis.}}: {{x|1}} is somebody/something named Alice; {{x|1}} is [an] Alice.
* {{j|.djonguuen.}}: {{x|1}} is somebody/something named {{j|.djonguuen.}}; {{x|1}} is [a] Chinese language.
* {{j|.amerikys.}}: {{x|1}} is somebody/something named America; {{x|1}} is [an] America.

But in cases where it matters – like when we’re naming an action or a more complex relation – we may give the cmevla predicate any structure that we like:

* {{j|.tces.}}: {{x|1}} plays chess with {{x|2}}.
* {{j|.tag.}}: {{x|1}} <code>@</code>-s {{x|2}} in message {{x|3}}.

(These definitions are informal; therefore, one may expect others to be confused with their usage of the oblique places unless it’s rather obvious – e.g., ''I chessed her and she lost'' {{j|mi ko’a .tces .i je ko’a te jinga}}.)

Therefore, CBM cmevla, alongside the underratedly versatile {{dic|me'oi}}, can find great use when code-switching ({{j|lo nunctu zo'u '''.borin''' .oi sai}}) or learning ({{j|mi klama '''lo .skul.'''}}).

==== Hold on now, is it {{j|la .alis.}} or {{j|lo .alis.}}? ====

'''Both forms are correct''', mean different things, and belong to different contexts of usage.

{{j|la .alis.}} means ''one who is called Alice'', just like {{j|la rokci}} is understood to mean ''one who is called Rock''.

{{j|lo .alis.}} means ''an Alice'', as in:

<blockquote>
{{j|.i mi ba’o penmi ci lo .alis.}} 
''I’ve met three Alices so far.''
</blockquote>

{{editorial|TODO – expand?}}

=== Tanru with CBM ===

Observe:

<blockquote>
{{j|.i la '''citno .alis.''' cu zutse ne'a lo rirxe korbi}} 
{{j|.i la '''.alis. co citno''' cu zutse ne'a lo rirxe korbi}} 
'''''Young Alice''' sat beside the river bank.''
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
{{j|.i .ia nai dai mi na'e ju'o se slabu lo '''.boloniiéz. te jukpa'''}} 
''Unbelievable, I know, but I really have no idea '''how to cook spaghetti bolognese'''!''
</blockquote>

=== Caveat: {{j|la}} syntax ===

Without CBM, a {{j|LA}} phrase terminated as soon as there were no more cmevla – for example:

<blockquote>
{{j|.i la .alis. citno}} 
''Alice is young.'' (CLL Lojban)
</blockquote>

With CBM, though, the grammatical reading of the sentence diverges:

<blockquote>
{{j|.i la .alis. citno}} 
''Alice-like Youngster'' (under CBM)
</blockquote>

This is because {{j|.alis.}} and {{j|citno}} now form an [[accidental tanru]], meaning ''(to be) Alice type-of young''. Since {{j|la}} behaves exactly the same as {{j|lo}} and {{j|le}} and all the other {{j|LE}} with the introduction of CBM, one must take care to splice in a {{j|ku}} or {{j|cu}} to prevent the tanru from forming:

<blockquote>
{{j|.i la .alis. '''cu''' citno}} 
''Alice is young.'' (with and without CBM)
</blockquote>

※ CLL {{j|LA}} does not take a {{j|ku}} when followed by a cmevla (why would it need to if it knows when to terminate?), so this sentence

<blockquote>
{{j|.i la .alis. '''ku''' citno}} 
''Alice is young.''
</blockquote>

will not parse without CBM.

== Formal description ==

Compare the following snippets from [https://lojban.github.io/ilmentufa/camxes.peg camxes]’ and [https://raw.githubusercontent.com/guskant/gerna_cipra/master/zantufa-1.3.peg zantufa]’s grammar files:

'''camxes'''
tanru_unit_2 <- BRIVLA_clause free* / [...]

'''zantufa'''
tanru_unit_1 <- (CMEVLA_clause / BRIVLA_clause / [...]

Notice how in zantufa (which admits CBM), cmevla (represented by the production rule <code>CMEVLA_clause</code>) are capable of serving as <abbr title="Units in a tanru. «condi» and «me lo bloti» are one tanru unit each; «condi me lo bloti» is two.">tanru units</abbr> to the same extent that brivla (<code>BRIVLA_clause</code>) are.