https://wiki.lojban.io/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=va%27icu%27iva'icu'i - Revision history2026-05-07T16:52:50ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://wiki.lojban.io/index.php?title=va%27icu%27i&diff=20506&oldid=prevNalvaizmiku: Import words via API2026-01-13T17:06:07Z<p>Import words via API</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>==== valsi ====<br />
va'icu'i<br />
==== type ====<br />
cmavo-compound<br />
==== creator ====<br />
[[personal/lamisotanis|lamisotanis]]<br />
==== time entered ====<br />
Fri May 15 13:07:20 2020<br />
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== English ==<br />
=== Definition #71940 - Preferred ===<br />
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==== selma'o ====<br />
UI*<br />
==== definition ====<br />
discursive: in the same words.<br />
==== notes ====<br />
In the CLL [[va'i|va'i]] is defined as "in other words" while [[va'i|va'i]] [[nai|nai]] is "in the same words", leaving "va'i cu'i" undefined. The entry for this cmavo compound is essentially a proposal to redefine the [[va'i|va'i]] spectrum slightly, to make it a little more like the similar discursive [[ta'u|ta'u]]. Consider the English sentences: (A) "Gold has atomic number 79, in other words, there are 79 protons in a gold nucleus." (B) "There are 79 protons in a gold nucleus, in other words, gold has atomic number 79." In English, in both A and B, the parts are discursively connected by the same "in other words" connective, even though the connection is in two mutually opposite directions. To understand that there really is a difference between the two, consider another pair of sentences: (A') "According to the Bible, God made the world in six days, in other words, it took almost a week to make everything around us." (B') "According to the Bible, it took almost a week to make everything around us, in other words, God made the world in six days." Unlike A and B, from among the pair A' and B', only A' makes sense, B' sounds absurd. The proposal is to redefine Lojban's [[va'i|va'i]] and [[va'i|va'i]] [[nai|nai]], in the motivation to give [[va'i|va'i]] [[nai|nai]] more of a use, to reflect this very Lojbanic difference in direction, which English cannot capture. This compound, i.e. "va'i cu'i" would then acquire the meaning of "in the same words". There is no set in stone rule for which of [[va'i|va'i]] and [[va'i|va'i]] [[nai|nai]] stands for which direction for any given two pair of sentences: however, if one of them is used to connect them in one way, then the other one would connect them in the reverse order. "broda .i va'i nai brode" simply is defined as equivalent to "brode .i va'i broda". See also [[ta'u|ta'u]], a similar discursive that inspired this proposal.<br />
==== created by ====<br />
[[personal/lamisotanis|lamisotanis]]<br />
==== vote information ====<br />
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==== time ====<br />
Fri May 15 13:07:20 2020<br />
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